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	<description>apparently there are 34 better blogs about wordpress than this. you should probably go and read one of them instead.</description>
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		<title>By: Me No Likey This &#171; Daria Black</title>
		<link>http://wank.wordpress.com/2006/09/09/joined-up-thinking/#comment-85612</link>
		<dc:creator>Me No Likey This &#171; Daria Black</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 May 2008 11:50:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] apparently using a sponsored theme himself on WordPress.com didn’t post a problem until he got called on it. Now it really could have been an oversight but it’s generally a good idea to always make sure [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Me No Likey This</title>
		<link>http://wank.wordpress.com/2006/09/09/joined-up-thinking/#comment-73143</link>
		<dc:creator>Me No Likey This</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Jul 2007 20:31:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] apparently using a sponsored theme himself on WordPress.com didn’t post a problem until he got called on it. Now it really could have been an oversight but it’s generally a good idea to always make sure [...]</description>
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		<title>By: surely the horse is dead &#171; SunBurntKamel</title>
		<link>http://wank.wordpress.com/2006/09/09/joined-up-thinking/#comment-34247</link>
		<dc:creator>surely the horse is dead &#171; SunBurntKamel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Feb 2007 20:09:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] the horse is&#160;dead  i thought we beat this thing pretty good the last time we had it out?  i guess not.  When the producers of halo: the movie hire the skins factory to design them a [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] the horse is&nbsp;dead  i thought we beat this thing pretty good the last time we had it out?  i guess not.  When the producers of halo: the movie hire the skins factory to design them a [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Christmas Nachos &#171; sunburntkamel</title>
		<link>http://wank.wordpress.com/2006/09/09/joined-up-thinking/#comment-21937</link>
		<dc:creator>Christmas Nachos &#171; sunburntkamel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Dec 2006 13:22:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] More and more, it&#8217;s looking like the reasons for matt disliking barthelme had less to do with the link in the footer, than some personal dislike. i say this because it&#8217;s christmas. and my brand new christmas theme has a footer link to a very sploggy looking christmas site. the link in my dashboard is a to a subdomain with information about the theme. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] More and more, it&#8217;s looking like the reasons for matt disliking barthelme had less to do with the link in the footer, than some personal dislike. i say this because it&#8217;s christmas. and my brand new christmas theme has a footer link to a very sploggy looking christmas site. the link in my dashboard is a to a subdomain with information about the theme. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: psa &#38; some more design wank &#171; wordpress™ wank</title>
		<link>http://wank.wordpress.com/2006/09/09/joined-up-thinking/#comment-2014</link>
		<dc:creator>psa &#38; some more design wank &#171; wordpress™ wank</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Sep 2006 13:04:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] That said, at the rate of two a week a fair few of these &#8216;themes&#8217; are going to be stylesheet based anyway. If you want a custom theme without paying $15 or hanging around for the VIP program to start, your best bet is to go here, find something that isn&#8217;t too hideous or horribly broken (this may take a while) and send a feedback. Or, better yet, post here so that when everyone whines about its redundancy in the announcement comments they can point to your request and say &#8216;look! people actually asked for this!&#8217;. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] That said, at the rate of two a week a fair few of these &#8216;themes&#8217; are going to be stylesheet based anyway. If you want a custom theme without paying $15 or hanging around for the VIP program to start, your best bet is to go here, find something that isn&#8217;t too hideous or horribly broken (this may take a while) and send a feedback. Or, better yet, post here so that when everyone whines about its redundancy in the announcement comments they can point to your request and say &#8216;look! people actually asked for this!&#8217;. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Matt</title>
		<link>http://wank.wordpress.com/2006/09/09/joined-up-thinking/#comment-1951</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Sep 2006 17:57:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>1. http://www.google.com/search?q=pressrow . I deleted one of the links but missed another.

2. There are plenty examples of themes with options on WP.com, they&#039;re just more trouble to integrate. What&#039;s the easiest? 1.2-era Classic styles. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>1. <a href="http://www.google.com/search?q=pressrow" rel="nofollow">http://www.google.com/search?q=pressrow</a> . I deleted one of the links but missed another.</p>
<p>2. There are plenty examples of themes with options on WP.com, they&#8217;re just more trouble to integrate. What&#8217;s the easiest? 1.2-era Classic styles. <img src='http://s.wordpress.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: that girl again</title>
		<link>http://wank.wordpress.com/2006/09/09/joined-up-thinking/#comment-1948</link>
		<dc:creator>that girl again</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Sep 2006 16:02:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>	1. You downloaded the theme without knowing where it was from and deleted the link without noticing it? OK. Like you say, too late to backtrack now.

	2. Theme authors are constantly being told that they should put more options in their themes, to make them more attractive to non-tech users like the target audience of wp.com (Lorelle has a post or ten about this); yet when we do so, they get excluded from the theme browser and wordpress.com because the code is too complicated. I wish you people would make up your minds.

	3. Not selling blogroll links was a good call. I think it would have been ethically defensible -- everyone would have been able to see exactly what was happening, and, WP being GPL, we&#039;d have been free to remove the links -- but it would have split the community in a major way.
	
4. &#039;Ridiculously tedious&#039; may be overstating the case, yes, but &quot;check all&#039; is a relatively new feature. &lt;a href=&quot;http://wank.wordpress.com/2005/12/11/things-i-wish-i-could-do-in-wordpress-without-having-to-mess-with-phpmyadmin/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt; At any rate, it wasn&#039;t in 1.5&lt;/a&gt;; people had to go through the list and delete them individually.
	
5. Thank you for the wp.net clarification, its status is making slightly more sense to me now.


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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>1. You downloaded the theme without knowing where it was from and deleted the link without noticing it? OK. Like you say, too late to backtrack now.</p>
<p>	2. Theme authors are constantly being told that they should put more options in their themes, to make them more attractive to non-tech users like the target audience of wp.com (Lorelle has a post or ten about this); yet when we do so, they get excluded from the theme browser and wordpress.com because the code is too complicated. I wish you people would make up your minds.</p>
<p>	3. Not selling blogroll links was a good call. I think it would have been ethically defensible &#8212; everyone would have been able to see exactly what was happening, and, WP being GPL, we&#8217;d have been free to remove the links &#8212; but it would have split the community in a major way.</p>
<p>4. &#8216;Ridiculously tedious&#8217; may be overstating the case, yes, but &#8220;check all&#8217; is a relatively new feature. <a href="http://wank.wordpress.com/2005/12/11/things-i-wish-i-could-do-in-wordpress-without-having-to-mess-with-phpmyadmin/" rel="nofollow"> At any rate, it wasn&#8217;t in 1.5</a>; people had to go through the list and delete them individually.</p>
<p>5. Thank you for the wp.net clarification, its status is making slightly more sense to me now.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt</title>
		<link>http://wank.wordpress.com/2006/09/09/joined-up-thinking/#comment-1938</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Sep 2006 02:43:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Honestly I didn&#039;t notice the findcreditcards thing on Pressrow until you pointed it out. The links were removed, but it&#039;s too late to do anything about the theme.

I&#039;ll look at Barthelme again, but given it uses the template toolkit it might be more of a pain than it&#039;s worth right now. (Themes with configuration options take a lot longer to secure.)

The blogroll links have been around since WP started and before anyone ever thought of the Google implications. They were there to prime the feature and recognize folks who were selflessly donating their time without expecting anything back. There have been high 6-figure offers to &quot;buy&quot; into that list or the templates, which I&#039;ve always ignored even last year when things were financially rough.

I have no idea what PIJ means by &quot;ridiculously tedious to remove&quot;, there are checkboxes, a &quot;check all&quot;, and a &quot;delete checked&quot; button in links.

wordpress.net is for hosting independent but related projects that need some official support, for example if they have extremely high traffic or otherwise would be difficult for someone to support.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Honestly I didn&#8217;t notice the findcreditcards thing on Pressrow until you pointed it out. The links were removed, but it&#8217;s too late to do anything about the theme.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll look at Barthelme again, but given it uses the template toolkit it might be more of a pain than it&#8217;s worth right now. (Themes with configuration options take a lot longer to secure.)</p>
<p>The blogroll links have been around since WP started and before anyone ever thought of the Google implications. They were there to prime the feature and recognize folks who were selflessly donating their time without expecting anything back. There have been high 6-figure offers to &#8220;buy&#8221; into that list or the templates, which I&#8217;ve always ignored even last year when things were financially rough.</p>
<p>I have no idea what PIJ means by &#8220;ridiculously tedious to remove&#8221;, there are checkboxes, a &#8220;check all&#8221;, and a &#8220;delete checked&#8221; button in links.</p>
<p>wordpress.net is for hosting independent but related projects that need some official support, for example if they have extremely high traffic or otherwise would be difficult for someone to support.</p>
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		<title>By: that girl again</title>
		<link>http://wank.wordpress.com/2006/09/09/joined-up-thinking/#comment-1934</link>
		<dc:creator>that girl again</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Sep 2006 22:06:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;I am reminded of this one time, &lt;em&gt;somebody&lt;/em&gt; put hyperlinks to Matt and his groupies in the sidebars on all default wordpress installations, and then made them ridiculously tedious to remove. It gave Matt and the rest of ‘em the high PageRank they have today.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

You raise a good point; even though end-users have the right to remove the link, reader inertia is a powerful tool. Mike Little is still &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.google.com/search?q=Mike&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;the top result in Google for &#039;Mike&#039;&lt;/a&gt; even though he no longer actively contributes and all he posts on his blog these days is birthday greetings to members of his family. 

If it weren&#039;t for the default links to wp.org and selected developers, it&#039;s doubtful that any firms would have cottoned onto the fact that getting your link onto a wordpress theme is a fantastic way of gleaning PageRank. In that respect, the developers only have themselves to blame for this trend.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>I am reminded of this one time, <em>somebody</em> put hyperlinks to Matt and his groupies in the sidebars on all default wordpress installations, and then made them ridiculously tedious to remove. It gave Matt and the rest of ‘em the high PageRank they have today.</p></blockquote>
<p>You raise a good point; even though end-users have the right to remove the link, reader inertia is a powerful tool. Mike Little is still <a href="http://www.google.com/search?q=Mike" rel="nofollow">the top result in Google for &#8216;Mike&#8217;</a> even though he no longer actively contributes and all he posts on his blog these days is birthday greetings to members of his family. </p>
<p>If it weren&#8217;t for the default links to wp.org and selected developers, it&#8217;s doubtful that any firms would have cottoned onto the fact that getting your link onto a wordpress theme is a fantastic way of gleaning PageRank. In that respect, the developers only have themselves to blame for this trend.</p>
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		<title>By: timethief</title>
		<link>http://wank.wordpress.com/2006/09/09/joined-up-thinking/#comment-1931</link>
		<dc:creator>timethief</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Sep 2006 20:36:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@wank
excuse me . This is just to let you know that I have changed the title on my post as I got complaints that the link was too long. It&#039;s now http://bloggersblurt.wordpress.com/2006/09/09/the-nvib-challenge/.</description>
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excuse me . This is just to let you know that I have changed the title on my post as I got complaints that the link was too long. It&#8217;s now <a href="http://bloggersblurt.wordpress.com/2006/09/09/the-nvib-challenge/" rel="nofollow">http://bloggersblurt.wordpress.com/2006/09/09/the-nvib-challenge/</a>.</p>
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