barry? who the bleep is barry?

I can’t think of a diplomatic way of asking this so I’ll just come straight out with it: who is Barry? He ain’t on the guest list, that’s for sure, and there’s no link to his own site to enlighten us.

Is he a mysterious hitherto unmentioned VC? Provider of BBQ? The guy who runs the datacenter? Matt’s dog? I think we should be told.

18 Comments »

  1. Alan said

    I think Barry must be Matt’s sockpuppet friend.

  2. Collin said

    Nope, you’re both wrong. Barry is a Sprout.

  3. Matt said

    Barry is a Texan!

  4. wank said

    Wikipedia’s List of people from Texas gives us only two Barries, one of whom is dead and the other one of whom is really called Leonard. The mystery deepens…

  5. Vidar said

    Barry was a wordpress blogger
    he type so goddamned fast…

  6. Pissed off Joe said

    Wank,

    I posted the following on this page about that damn “five minute install” boast of WordPress. I don’t know if Matt will delete the comment, so I am posting it here too:

    http://photomatt.net/2006/06/02/wordpress-webmonkey/

    Oh yeah, the (in)famous five-minute install – sure it’s easy to install. But then you have to spend time setting up a whole

    lot of shit.

    Like taking Matt, Alex, Ryan, and a whole lot of other people off your blogroll *one by one*.

    Like changing that stupid “just another wordpress weblog” tagline that’s now shown to you when you install. (Why the hell is

    that there? Just leave it blank.)

    Like setting up proper permalinks.

    Like scratching your head trying to figure out what to change so your posts don’t say “posted by admin”

    Like figuring out why the templating system looks like programmer gobbledegook. (’cause it’s scary PHP. I’m just a regular

    joe; I don’t know any PHP.)

    Like figuring out how to change my blog from http://www.example.com/wordpress to http://www.example.com (why not have an admin option for

    this, eh? Oh wait, the option that *looks* like it does this – the “Options” page – will actually make your blog go gonzo if

    you change just the URL for your blog.)

    Like setting up permissions on your theme folder so you can actually change stuff (see how MT makes it easy)

    Like figuring out why important shit like, oh, the control panel in the admin interface is shadowed by a huge display of

    oh-so-important news like their latest April Fools prank.

    Like wondering why the link to the damn documentation is so ridiculously hard to find in the interface. (Oh look, there it

    is, way down at the bottom, because “Other WordPress News” is so much more useful to me.

    Like wondering why it’s impossible to view and edit the comments for a particular blog post from the “manage” page for that

    post.

    Let me tell you; figuring all that stuff out… it takes a LOT longer than freakin’ FIVE minutes.

  7. wank said

    You were right, it’s gone😉

  8. GAiL said

    I think Barry’s a dog😀 I have dog named HARRY, so it’s not really that far out to name Matt’s dog BARRY. Who knows? Or maybe he’s an iguana or something.

  9. Alan said

    So Barry is the WordPress equivalent of LiveJournal’s Frank, then?

  10. Alan said

    Oh, and it’s only a 5 minute install if you want to be another completely generic soldier for the Kubric army. If you want to, say, have an individual blog with, gasp, non-standardized options it can take you ages. lol

  11. wank said

    So Barry is the WordPress equivalent of LiveJournal’s Frank, then?

    This is the most convincing suggestion so far. I expect the front page will soon be adorned by a picture of a sockpuppet wearing a stetson. Diaryland has a cat, LJ has a goat, we get a Texan. Yay.

  12. GAiL said

    Oh, sorry. I didn’t see Matt’s comment… Teeheee… A Texan? A Texan what? Barbecue? Chicken? Ahehehe peace Matt!😀

  13. Collin said

    Nope, you’re still wrong. Even Matt.

    Barry is a Holy Guardian Sprout.

    Now, SPO Joe – two statements for you:

    1. The INSTALL IS five minutes. Less in most cases. What you are talking about is post install configuration, personalisation and funcionality changes. You install Windows XP (For example), do you then use notepad/wordpad for all your documents? No. You install Office (MS or OpenOffice). Do you stick with IE? Not if you’ve got any sense. WMP for your MP3 Player? No. You INSTALL XP, then do post install config. See the difference?

    2. If you hate it that much then why use it? You’ve obviously know that there’s other apps out there. Have you looked at Blogger recently? Thanks, I’ll take the somewhat limited (in your view) standard install of WP over blogger/blogspot every time thanks!

  14. timethief said

    wank,
    This is to let you know I also wondered (1) who Barry was, (2) what he/she did for wordpress and (3) why Barry was the only name listed without a link so I asked Matt. I’ll come back with the answer and share it when I get it.
    TT

  15. Pissed off Joe said

    Collin, for the sake of humanity, I hope you’re not a software developer.

    1) Are you comparing freakin’ WordPress to an operating system? It’s a blogging app, for crying out loud. If you want to get your analogies straight, compare it to Microsoft Office. After installing it, you can start using it straight away in most cases. See the difference?

    I know that the damn *install* is five minutes and blah blah blah. My point is that the “five minute install” is constantly being boasted about, as if that’s all it takes to get it up and running like a normal blog. Well, it is, but as someone above pointed out, only if you want a Kubrick clone that looks incomplete.

    All the steps I’ve outlined are *necessary* to get everything working smoothly.

    So it’s essentially a deceptive claim. When the WP people say it installs in five minutes, it’s to make people believe that it’s easy to set up AND get cranking. It’s NOT.

    2) Blogger sucks, and I don’t mind WordPress. But I like to play devil’s advocate and show areas for improvement. Nothing good ever came out of having only yes-men and fanboys for company.
    (In other words, I am asking WP developers to address these issues and stop saying that WordPress is as easy as a five minute install.)

  16. Collin said

    Yeah, ok Joe, I got my analogy wrong. Kinda. I understand your analogy, but you obviously understood mine too, so what’s the problem?

    Define normal blog. For the new user an “incomplete Kubrick clone” *IS* complete. It works. It’s customising to your satisfaction afterwards.

    Damn, you CAN “get cranking” in five minutes. It doesn’t look good, work to the standard of a blogger who’s been at it more than five minutes, or play really nice in standard form, but it DOES work. In five minutes.

    Don’t get me wrong, I’m not saying it’s perfect. It’s not, there are certainly issues to resolve, but if they stop using Kubrick as the standard “clone” then what do they do? Including more themes will increase the package size, download time, and the confusion for the *new* user that hasn’t got a scoobies about what to do next.

    Yep, lose the blogroll.
    Yep, Permalinks.
    Yep, the “news” and other WP news in the dashboard. This actually makes it friendly and for the new blogger it shows (it did me) that you aren’t all on your own.

    Yes, the support links could be more obvious.

    As you like playing Devil’s Advocate, so do I. You bash wordpress I will take the opposite view just for the sake of a decent discussion!

    And no, I’m not a software developer, otherwise I would have offered my help developing WP for the better of all users!😉

  17. wank said

    Oh, the ‘five-minute install’ claim is basically marketing fluff, exploiting the fact that at the time MT had a relatively unwieldy install process involving chmodding and messing with CGI.

    When I bought my first domain (about four years ago) I accepted that hosting myself meant getting to grips with things like FTP and file permissions, but going with b2 rather than MT made the jump less steep. These days, what with themes and mod_rewrite and having to install security patches every couple of months, that simplicity has gone.

    You have to admit, though, that the five minute install claim makes WP a very attractive option for sploggers, who don’t need to worry about such niceties. Come to think of it, sploggers are about the only people who need to be up and running in five minutes…

  18. office is not your strongest comeback, joe.
    at least wordpress doesn’t make you phone home before using it. (ever tried to authorize office over the phone?).
    or try opening outlook post-install, pre-opening word?
    how about disabling the paper clip, so you can actually type something without interruption?
    adding a signature to outbound messages?

    any app, no matter how simple, isn’t out-of-the-box for most people. even calculator has buried functions.

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